Sure, here's a revised version without bullet points and numbering: Introduction In this podcast, the host interviews Dr. Donald Hoffman about his paper "Conscious Agents and the Subatomic World". The paper proposes a mathematical model in which conscious agents are fundamental and interact by markovian dynamics, and some agents create space-time as an interface whereby they interact. The podcast discusses the implications of this model for physics and consciousness. Core Themes and Arguments The core themes and arguments discussed in the podcast include the following: Space-time is not fundamental reality nor are its objects. Physicists have discovered structures beyond space-time that are static like geometric objects and structures like permutations. Conscious agents are fundamental and interact by markovian dynamics, and some agents create space-time as an interface. The proposed model can help solve the hard problem of consciousness. Explanation of Key Points Space-time is not fundamental reality nor are its objects Dr. Hoffman explains that space-time was the foundation for Newtonian mechanics, but it was over for space and time and it was over for Newtonian as a fundamental theory. Einstein's space-time has been a fantastic foundation for more than a century, but physicists have discovered structures beyond space-time that are static like geometric objects and structures like permutations. Space-time is not a deep enough structure to be thought of as foundational, and it has specific limits. Structures beyond space-time Physicists have published structures they've discovered beyond space-time, entirely outside space-time. These structures include the amplitohedron, decorated permutations, and cosmological polytops. These structures are dynamical entities utterly and completely outside of space-time. Conscious agents are fundamental and interact by markovian dynamics Dr. Hoffman proposes that conscious agents are fundamental and interact by markovian dynamics, and some agents create space-time as an interface whereby they interact. The markovian dynamics projects to decorated permutations and therefore through decorative permutations into space-time. Proposed model can help solve the hard problem of consciousness The proposed model can help solve the hard problem of consciousness. Dr. Hoffman proposes that these dynamical entities are conscious agents, and the mathematics stands by itself. If you don't like the conscious interpretation, just say there are dynamical entities beyond space-time. Transitions Dr. Hoffman's proposed model challenges the foundational assumptions of physics and provides a new level of creativity for physicists to think outside the box. The proposed model also has implications for the hard problem of consciousness. Conclusion In conclusion, Dr. Hoffman's paper proposes a mathematical model in which conscious agents are fundamental and interact by markovian dynamics, and some agents create space-time as an interface whereby they interact. The proposed model challenges the foundational assumptions of physics and provides a new level of creativity for physicists to think outside the box. The proposed model also has implications for the hard problem of consciousness, which can be solved by viewing these dynamical entities as conscious agents. Review This summary accurately captures the main points discussed in the podcast and provides a clear and concise explanation of the proposed model. The writing flows smoothly and is easy to understand.